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legislative session is over-I think has to be reintroduced in next session. Also, write,call, collar the Governor to support this
also, maybe Tesla will do something for those w/X reservations that will prob be scheduled for delivery after June 30,2015??!
This was the Response I got back from Senator Ann Rivers, Guess I will have to adjust my vote:
With our declining gas tax revenue dollars going shorter distance it seems unlikely that this exemption will continue to stand. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
State Senator Ann Rivers, District 18
Senate Majority Whip, Majority Coalition Caucus
I didn't know that the sales tax is related the gas tax revenue other than they are both taxes. Does she know that EVs pay an extra $100 for tabs just because they don't get to pay the gas tax? It sounds like she needs some additional education.
Yes PatT, I tried to explain that and a few longer sited issues along these lines. Based on her inititial response I feel like she is unlikely to listen to my response to her...I did let her know that her lack of vision for the future will cost her my vote in the near future.
"Does she know that EVs pay an extra $100 for tabs just because they don't get to pay the gas tax?"
Did you know that's still less than the typical ICE driver pays in taxes for gas?
Maybe WSDOT should manage their projects better:
With an original cost of $21 million in 1961, ($127 million in 2011 dollars), the 520 bridge is now estimated at $4.1 billion. With at least $400 million in cost overruns from design errors on the floating pontoons, yes you guessed it, the ERRORS on the new bridge are more than three times what the original bridge COST.
Who's the Engineer of Record who oversaw the design? Drum roll please, why it's WSDOT!
So Ms. Rivers, while I appreciate your feelings about lost revenue from this tax exemption, maybe you can explain to me that a bridge built for $127 million in 2011 dollars now costs $4.1 billion, with overruns exceeding $400 million?
We pay less in gas tax and get a federal tax credit. Maybe that should be good enough.
DTsea, It is enough, for you and me. The tax exemption is a great way to encourage more people to purchase and drive EVs.
Yes, but we risk a backlash with tax breaks for expensive vehicles... I don't want kshwami sawant coming after my model s!
I understand...backlash is a risk. However this risk does not outweigh the benefits, in this case, IMHO. The tax break is for all EV's not just the Tesla.
Too funny about kshwami sawant DTsea.
You must not live in seattle itself.... she isn't funny she is scary.
Eveything is 'tax the rich' with her. And I am pretty sure she would consider any model s owner as rich.
Just added my 2-cents.
I also sent comment!
I support legislative efforts for WA sales tax exemption for purchase of new EV and EV charging infrastructure. I donated $100 to Washington Electric Vehicle Advocacy PAC and offered to volunteer further.
Now that the MX has been pushed out to Q3, it seems more important than ever to get this tax credit extended. Does anyone know the status of this in the next legislative session?
It is too early to officially know about the next 2-year session. Insiders might know if someone intends to sponsor. If the EV PAC plans to push that Bill, it should arrange key sponsors in both houses before the session. Bills that are dropped will be available for public from 1/2/15. I review all Bills and will contact the EV PAC immediately and post in this forum too.
I am confident that an extension to the EV sales tax exemption bill will be sponsored in the next session of the WA legislature. Such a bill is supported by a number of members and there is even work to establish an EV caucus (there are a number of members who own EVs).
However, getting that bill passed or even out of committee is another story. The last extension bill passed easily but times have changed. Most notably the legal mandate for increased education funding and control of the senate by the Republican party. While we do have support from members in both parties it is still sometimes couched as a partisan issue.
We are certainly going to try and get the bill passed.
For those worried about the bill being a benefit for the rich, two things to consider:
- The bill will likely be written with a cap for the exemption (ex: no sales tax on the first $50,000 of the value of an electric car)
- The best selling EV in WA is the Nissan Leaf
Treasurer WEVA PAC (WA EV Advocacy PAC)
That's great to hear. Even if there's a cap, any extension would be great. We'd take no cap too...but I hear you when you say that times have changed.
It would be quite sad if the Legislature did not recognize the potential savings for the DOT, EPA and local municipalities if there were more EV's on the road.
Fortunately, Governor Inslee acknowledges this is true. The trick is getting other members of the Legislature to acknowledge the extra costs incurred by the state from ICE vehicles and ICE infrastructure.
Cost savings from reduced environmental monitoring, reduced regulation needs, spill clean up, storm drain maintenance, roadway maintenance and surface water management could be staggering. ICE vehicles and infrastructure greatly influence both point source and non-point source pollution.
Captain_Zap, thanks for pointing these significant cost factors out. These are the kinds of sound economic arguments that need to be heard in the legislature. I sent my comments in too.
No Bill has been filed at the legislature for this session yet to extend the sales tax, but the article linked below confirms it is expected. Governor Inslee is advocating for more than I would have dreamed. Free rides on the ferries too! See this article posted at KOMO:
The Legislative leaders are likely to be a significant challenge. From the Everett Herald [http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20150108/NEWS01/150109228/Gov.-Inslee-proposes-free-toll-lane-ferry-travel-for-electric-vehicles-] see criticism and this quote from the Chair of the Senate committee that must first pass the Bill:
Sen. Steve Hobbs, D-Lake Stevens, who will be the transportation committee's ranking Democrat, said the sales tax exemption should be allowed to expire.
“I don't mind putting the infrastructure in place because maybe electric vehicles are the future,” Hobbs said. “I don't like providing exemptions or tax breaks, because if you can afford an electric car you can afford to pay the sales tax.”
As a frequent ferry user to Orcas Island I would personally benefit from a free ferry ride. However, I do not think it appropriate as the cost to get me to my home is the same as that to transport a diesel or gas powered vehicle. In fact, I would be embarrassed and probably insist on paying. These ferries are the lifeblood of the Puget Sound islands and they already have issues with revenue. Part of the problem is the somewhat bloated pay structure and inflexible maritime rules, but to cut off revenue simply because the vehicle is electric is NOT equitable. I can afford to live part time on the island, buy an electric vehicle and should pay.
I am not a fan of HOV lanes and wish there were an alternative but do not think that electric vehicles with one occupant should be able to use them. These positions might not be in harmony with other EV owners, but they are mine.
I do, however, think that abatement of the sales tax on purchase or at least partial with the part paid going into infrastructure to encourage EV purchases and use are on balance somewhat helpful.
I further think that recent and ongoing improvements in solar technology will pay off … especially if we find a variety of ways to store energy and also produce closer to consumption. Hopeful….
I gave up my P85D reservation but am keeping the MX and hoping for November-December at the latest. My wife did not want to ride in the low slung S and wants the higher ingress egress height of the X. I am spending the waiting time insulating, dry walling and painting garage. Next step is a two part epoxy for the floor…wiring done 7 years ago in anticipation. Backup 17 KVA propane generator for the three times a year power goes out. I do not think the local gas station would appreciate me using their outside 120 volt plug.
The Nissan Leaf is still an expensive car to most people.
Update on deadline for getting a new Tesla before the WA sales tax exemption goes away:
Must take delivery before end of June. Web says current orders for 70D take six weeks.
However sales manager at Westlake says factory will give priority to WA orders, so buyers might have several more weeks to save $8k in sales tax.