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NY Times Makes a Run at Tesla . . . Again

Some people get it and some don't. Out of the ones who don't, some you will never be able to show the light.

Seems like a fairly written article to me. What points are you taking issue with?

Very good article! Seems like the Tesla specialist did a good job of helping him understand where things were developing and what he needed to consider.

From a marketing perspective, a pretty good article--it created a vehicle (no pun) to tackle some of the main objections people have. The only problem I see is the final quote by Jonas on the Tesla not being practical as an only car yet.


It was truthful. For some people, like the author, it might not be practical as an only car.

If Tesla can help to get charge points installed in public parking garages in big cities it would remove another big hurdle for mass adoption.

I to agree for the most part a good article. Ther were a few points I would take issue with.

1. While pointing out the vampire loss he should have pointed out that a firmware update is coming that would address the vampire loss.

2. Liken omarsultan I agree that the comments that one would need a second car to go along with the Tesla. For some people this would be the case. But I believe for the majority this car is fine as only car.

3. This car should have a higher reliability over an ICE car. Time will tell.

Otherwise not a bad article.

I thought it was perfectly pitched for the potential New York customer.

What would really help sales there is a Supercharger at, say, the 59th St Bridge where Queens and Brooklyn can get to it too. And an overnight valet service. Fortunately, if the valet has to park the Tesla in a different spot when returning the charged car, the owner can just use the App the next morning to find it.

New York City is something of a worst case, even more so than Boston. Garages are crammed to the gills, and retrofitting even a 40kw line into one would be major surgery. Lots of people have no garage and have to park on the streets, where finding a space can be a full-time occupation. So solving the charging problem for them is quite different; a supercharger would make a valet service possible.

What that valet will need is a foldup Tesla electric bicycle that fits in the trunk.

If the city is losing the power, the pump station cannot pump the gas either. Both gas station and charging station will have the same issue.

True but there are mechanical pumps for gasoline. Not so for electrons. Besides, I bet many of those gas stations have backup generators if they get regular power outages.

But if you have solar power, you can charge up during the day.

I've never seen a gas station with a backup generator, but I'm sure a few might have it. A hand pump sounds like both a pain and dangerous.

Read it today. One glaring thing was the misrepresentation of electricity price to gas. There was not truth in the $1 electric compare to $5 gas. Effectively, that only is true if you are coming out of a 15mpg car, which some may be, going into an ev. But a 40mpg car compared to an EV is roughly a $1 to $3 compare. EVs tend to be about 1/3 the price for fuel per mile if driven the same as an ICE in the tri state area around NYC. I know... Who cares about details, but I do when a story reaches tens of people via the NYT... (Minor pun). Very fair article compared to the Broder debacle.

@Tap. There is legislation in NJ now that requires some gas stations to install generators for pumping and computer equipment. However, there is also state money grants to help roll it out. Should be a good jobs program for some electricians.

I find it a little odd that one would react that harshly to what is a fairly well written and balanced article.

The only fair complaints I have about the article is there was some areas where I felt like it needed updating. Like the Vampire drain is no longer 10miles per night in the 5.0 firmware (at least as far as I know). It also needed more clarification as to the real world range of the 60KW versus the 85KW.

I'm getting a 60KW, and I wouldn't trust it to make a 178 mile round trip. 150 miles is where I would draw the line for the 60KW even though I know there are plenty of examples of people greatly exceeding that.

I dislike the article's author using the age-old trick of truncating a quotation and using it out of context. Had he quoted Musk's entire statement about the company's current valuation, it would've been fair. Oh, and ending on the ridiculous opinion of some analyst (who probably has shorted TSLA from the beginning and is bitter) was lame.

I routinely road trip in my 60. 210 miles with no charge is easy. I'm currently sitting 380 miles from home enjoying a family vacation in the Hamptons, drove here with 6 people in the car and luggage. This car is amazing! Every other car here is a Ferrari or Ashton Martin etc but this car turns a lot of heads. I particularly enjoy passing a Ferrari filling up at the gas station!

Using SuperChargers to supply the urban drivers' daily needs in NYC (or any other city) is not on, under the current plan. Maybe paid versions (with some other name/label?).

NY would be a much nicer place without the stench if exhaust. This city really needs better EV infrastructure. I hear there is talk of converting the obsolete phone booths to EV chargers.

FU NY Times! you have proven to be less reliable than tabloid rags!! You allow crooked so called journalists to commit fraud after fraud with impunity but still expect to be taken seriously....FU NY Times...

Man, not sure what people's beef is with this article. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Tesla super-fan as well, but this was a fair and balanced article. It's minor flaws are no different from your standard journalistic inaccuracies about any other topic.

@Maistrokneer....I didn't even read it because I am really disappointed with American media these days for the most's not only about their coverage on Tesla but other news especially world news........they are especially pathetic when it comes to getting it right on international news........a bunch of light weights for the most part when it comes to international news

" There was not truth in the $1 electric compare to $5 gas. Effectively, that only is true if you are coming out of a 15mpg car, which some may be, going into an ev. But a 40mpg car compared to an EV is roughly a $1 to $3 compare. "

Identify a 40mpg car that performs like a Model S and I'll accept your point.

Justin, then go read or watch RT and AlJeera. Both do have abit more information than is filtered here.

@bonaire.....of course I can do that but it's worrisome if major US media most Americans get their information are doing a terrible job in in informing the public.......

NYC *is* a challenge for any EV. It is also an opportunity as reducing urban pollution would be a major win. Parking garages, condos, apartments, parking lots all *can* upgrade their infrastructure to accommodate EV charging, it'll just take more time to do in comparison to the homeowner who can hire an electrician in a couple of weeks. So NYC isn't a write off, it'll just be a slow adopter. Contrast that to broadband access where dense cities like NYC lead the national in cheap affordable Internet access and fast wireless. All just bumps in the road on the way to an electric car society.

That article is maddening. I am in the EXACT same situation as the author. Live in manhattan, park in a parking garage, have a home upstate (although mine is 140 miles away not a paltry 88), and yes the Tesla is the only car I need or use. There are so many minor misstatements or misunderstandings in the article, I find it very frustrating. The biggest one is that quote at the end which seems to sum up the point of view of the article - that the Tesla is a toy that cant be relied on as your sole car. I am living proof that is false. But whatever. His loss if he doesn't get the car.

The only legitimate concern he voiced, in my opinion, is the price. Yes it's expensive. But in my opinion its also the best car on the planet, and dollar for dollar still an impressive value.

"It’s not yet practical as an only car"


(The quote is from analyst quoted by the author, not the author himself)

Good feedback stimey. Can you fill us in on how you get around the lack of charging infrastructure in NYC? Or point us to a post that you've already discussed this.


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@SamoSam. Quite entertaining. Thanks for sharing that.