Today's the day Elon said he would publish plans. Any trace or track of them yet?
There is a bunch of net traffic saying that it will be today, but, I don't see anything yet.
Pulled all nighter working on Hyperloop (as did others). Hopefully not too many mistakes. Will publish link at 1:30 PDT.
I'm hoping he integrates Tesla into this as it looks like the stock might be negatively impacted otherwise.
Just 2 hours to go for it.
"A SpaceX spokesperson said that the design details will also be posted on both Tesla Motors Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) and SpaceX websites"
Nothing yet, but it could be any minute now...
Quick! Everyone, these are your last possible moments to wildly speculate about the hyperloop! You won't have another chance! You better speculate now!
I heard some very solid rumors that Elon will construct tunnels through hyperdimensional space (hence the term "hyperloop") which will connect large distances in our normal space but just be short trips through those nifty other dimensions. The key risk is that it might unleash monsters from another dimension into our world.
Hyperloop article from Businessweek:
The 57 page .pdf file will take a bit of time to digest.
But, I did enjoy reading this on Page 9:
"The only system that comes close to matching the low energy requirements of Hyperloop is the fully electric Tesla Model S."
Driving the Model S could be called a "HyperDrive" road trip!
Thank you Team Elon ...
Now comes the hard part; convincing people that this needs to be built...
Updated version on the way as well...
Hard to believe 57 pages was from a single all nighter but happy to see some attention to capsule or capsule-like tube transport. I wonder if the team considered abandoned rail lines as possible routes or part of the route.
A news article indicated a team of up to 12 have been slowly working on it for about nine months.
...right now reminds me of the movie Contact where the discovered "alien" plan was feverishly being translated to see what the hell we have to build.
Elon quote: "Up to 1000 employees of Tesla and Space X worked on the hyperloop idea".
I wish a few of those were diverted instead to handling the business at hand at Tesla: Getting rid of the vampire drain problem once and for all, now.
Here is a man that is trying to revolutionize the way we travel in a way that can only be compared to the advent of the passenger jet or the steam locomotive and you are whining because, according to you, resources are being deviated from finding out minor quirks in your car?
How do you even know if this was done during the various people involved off time?
What a selfish, self serving human being (this is a compliment) you are!
Hopefully you are an old geezer in his eighties and you will soon die along with the rest of your retrograd thinking peers that would rather spend 70 billion of public money of a State that is almost bankrupt than to try and innovate and support an idea that might considerably change transportation and society as we know it for the better.
Jeez!! This world could definitely do with a lot less people like you and with more Elons…
Just read through the full PDF. It seems fairly thorough and well laid out, but there still many finer details to be worked out so that a prototype could be tested. Crowd sourced design for an awesome public transit system like this is a cool idea and I for one am glad that Elon and some of his employees have put in some time to get the concept to this point. If the idea is ultimately realized, it will have a tremendously positive impact on people, environment, and reducing the cost of public transit!
RTWT. Still a few glitches; I think the total time for the various sections of the route total more than the 30 minute LA-SF trip projections. But that's comparatively minor contrasted with Moonbeam's 2½ hr low-speed train that costs 10X as much!
Note the suggested extensions to SD and LV.
Why are you holding back? Tell him what you really think!
I note the Bloomberg article got the pylon spacing wrong; it's 100', not 50-100 yds.
@ Brian H. Don't tell us, tell them! Do we really have to read your corrections of things that aren't even posted on the forum? :-)
@afrmercado. Other than the adhominem diatribe, I notice that you have nothing to say about the premise in my post. Glad you apparently agree!
If the cost estimates are correct, I could see this system being built between Auckland and Wellington in New Zealand at 25% of the annual budget for "Roads of National Significance".
If my understanding of the concept is correct, the system is limited to use over land. How can the system be adapted to traverse water? Down here in New Zealand, we have to rely on ferries and airlines to transport freight between the North and South islands. A submarine traverse adaptation would allow the hyperloop to extend to Christchurch and Dunnedin in the South Island.
I see a potential problem in the proposed design of the stations. The proposal is to rotate the capsule for the return through the outbound tube. Given the interval between capsules, the major failure point would be the turntables. Substantial space would be required to house the number of turntables plus spares needed for peak traffic periods. Consideration must also be given to handling of capsules in the event of a turntable failure. My recommendation is to double-end the capsules, with compressors at both ends and shift the capsules laterally via a belt mechanism to a mid-point for unloading and loading before shifting them to the outbound tube. Multiple belts, including backups, could be maintained in less space than required for multiple turntables.
The only thing on which I agree with you is that my post is, as you put it, nothing but a diatribe and has no place in this thread; for that I apologize to the rest of the forum's readers,unfortunately, it cannot be deleted. I do, however, feel that neither your comment nor mine bring anything positive to this thread.
I'll finish by saying that I do not agree with your position since it is based on the assumption that resources and work hours from both Tesla and Space X were used to accomplish this study. Something that neither of us can know for sure.
I'm confident that you know what they say about assumptions...
I will not comment any further on this subject, lest this argument be turned into trolling.
Read the whole 57 pages. better than any TV show.
I wonder if the Chinese government will take this on.
- it can act fast, needs only approval from the top.
- population density in Beijing ~20 million and Shanghai ~23 million
- ~ 770 miles which is within the suggested 900 miles
- pollution is at the point of national crisis
- the new president should want something successful to call his own
- double the cost for doubled distance is still peanuts for the Chinese government budget
- right to use land should not be an issue
- the open source nature of the project makes it legidamate to do
- China just built some of the fastest high speed train rails (not one of the slowest as proposed in CA), and should have the technical capability now that the imagination part is done
This means that the US better acts fast, if we want to be the first.
Agree with Cindy. China could act faster on this.
I found the 57pp to be full of good workup. It would have been nice to have seen more on failure modes but what they did handle seemed reasonable.
I absolutely love it. I think Jerry Brown would be an idiot to continue with the High-Speed Rail idea. If the Hyper-loop isn't put into motion within the next 6 years, it's something I will be excited to try and help out with. This is Mechanical and Structural Engineering at its finest! Hopefully within a year of college I'll be able to further comprehend the 57 pages I just skimmed through, but I'm stoked.
I signed the online petition, but seeing how we haven't gotten a response on Tesla Motors yet I doubt that we can depend on the federal government for pushing this through. I say as California residents (or for those here who live in Cali at least) must work together to put this onto the next Proposition ballet, or fully inform our state's governor on this innovative and nonexpensive idea.
I'm pretty sure you could adapt the design to work underwater in the form of a submerged floating tube. Clearly a more traditional design would be used for power distribution as in a power cable since solar power would no longer work. Much like in the ET3 vactrain, you would also have to place escape hatches connected to escape capsules every mile or so raising the cost significantly.