When THE e-mail arrives from TM requesting the specifics you wish to order on your “S” -
What questions will you ask before you finalize your order?
I will have been lurking so much on this forum and the one at TMC, scraping google for any info about Tesla Motors, checking earning calls, reading and re-reading every single page of Tesla website for anything that has been added, harassing reps during auto shows, flooding the first owners with questions (I'm in Europe, will have lot of time to do that with the first US owner)... That I will have no questions apart from : Who do send the check to ? When do I get my car ? :-)
I've read a lot as well but unlike ManuVince, I still have a lot of questions and some of which can't be answered over the phone, I need to get into the car and punch the gas... :) Excuse me, the accelerator!...punching the gas would now be an obsolete term and one I would LOVE to retire!
I can tell you mine. For a Sig purchase, do I get option credit for returning the performance wheels and taking the aero ones instead? Because if they don't allow that, it is even more of a gap between Sig and standard price. Second question would be, when is projected delivery for standard production assuming I would get my original production spot in line back? I want Sig, and I know there is a waiting list for Sig so they probably don't care if I switch, but I'd have to weigh it heavily. Basically, is multi-$$$ worth getting the car earlier and getting Sig red? Tough decision.
That's my problem too. I would be thrilled with a $70K 60kWh Model S, and I made a "regular" reservation in addition to my Sig reservation the day after the pricing came out just in case. But I am really hoping they throw enough options, etc. at us with the Sig so that I feel good about spending the extra $$$ - and not just to get it a few months earlier. I'm already a little annoyed I can't get blue or green.
Even if I decide I am definitely getting the 85kWh version, at this point it looks like for a pile of extra cash I have to take a color I like less, options I don't particularly care about, and tires I don't need and that cost me two or three times as much to own over the life of the car. In exchange I get perforated leather seats and a few months earlier delivery.
So the two main questions are:
EXACTLY what is buying signature getting me that standard won't?
How good an estimate can you make about the difference in delivery time between Sig #802 and standard #6372 if it's 85kWh? if it's 60kWh?
If they're going to make 2-3K 85kWh cars (incl Sigs) before they make the first 60kWh one, then I might be able to get my regular reservation filled pretty quickly. I figure of the 6371 before me, maybe 5K will actually buy, maybe 1/3 of those will buy 85kWh. With the SIG 1K that's still under 3K cars to mine if I get the 85kWh version. Almost certainly under 4500 in front of me if I get the 60kWh version.
If I had the money available I'd buy the Signature and drive it for a few months, then sell it when I take delivery of my regular Model S. Anyone want to commit to buying a slightly used, six month old Signature Model S for full price?
@MandL: 'nappa leather' = perforated, from what I could tell on googling it when the options details came out. So there really isn't a difference for that. Sig is supposed to get more leather accents throughout, so maybe see that in design studio. I expect differences similar to executive vs regular roadster.
I am just praying that I get an early call telling me a bunch of lower number P reservations holders have opted to wait until the other lower watt battery Model S's come out, so I can move up the list!
P#3748 fully loaded performance.
@MandL: I agree with your analysis that your battery choice will not matter with P6372, or not noticeably. By the time that # is called, all three packs will be in production (or, certainly, both the 60 and the 85). They may be running cars in batches by battery sizes, but then its a crap-shoot whether you're better off with one or the other size.
I'm with BYT most of my questions will be answered when I have a chance to drive it from seat comfort to feedback and handling around curves and over bumps. Not sure I will get to test that last one.
My question will definitely be what is extra with the sig. One other thing to think about is Morgan Stanley agrees with all of TM forcast for 2012 EXCEPT the 5000 delivery number. They feel TM will only deliver 2000 cars in 2012. That would push things back.
Being a TM fan, I believe them over Morgan Stanley.
No questions really. I'm planning on getting the Nappa Leather option but before I finalize my order I want to:
1) HEAR the difference between the Standard Sound System and the Sound Studio Package.
2) SEE the difference the Tech Package offers.
3) FEEL the difference in driving experience with the Model S Performance.
TM ... Hope that's not too much to ask before I commit an additional $19,700 to the purchase.
I would like to drive one with the panoramic roof with the sun streaming from the passenger side at about a 45 degree angle.
That and see a Signature Red and a Shasta Perl White in the sun to decide on color.
I really would like to see a Model S without the pano roof. As far as I know, they haven't built one of those yet. How does it change the interior headroom? Details needed, esp. re the rear headroom.
1. What are the real world ranges for the battery packs? Is the 40 kwh 160 mile range a real world range with climate control on in a mixture of city and highway driving or is it at 55 mph constant speed, flat roads, all windows rolled up, no lights, no stereo, no fan or climate control? If the latter, what is the real world range?
2. At 160/230/300 miles do you have the 5% reserve that the model S is not supposed to let the battery drop below or have you driven it to 0% charge?
3. By what percentage is climate control usage expected to drop range? For reference, it is significant on the Leaf, heat even more so than AC.
4. How much are the batteries expected to degrade per year in reality? I need to buy the battery pack that will still suit my needs as long as I own the car, not out the door. If I own the car 10 years that may be a significant drop in usable range.
5. What is expected to happen to the battery after 8 years when the warranty expires? Are we to expect a quick degradation of battery capacity/function after this point or is the battery expected to continue to work year after year, slowly degrading at a similar rate as before? Can we reasonably expect to drive on the original battery after 8 years and if so how much longer?
6. Will Tesla support new battery purchase & swapping on this car 10 years from now when battery technology will certainly be much different than today? What about 15 years? Will this car become obsolete?
7. What is the rear seat headroom like with and without the panoramic roof? Which gives you more?
8. Is there an option to purchase some type of closed-compartment small item holder for the open space console area?
9. What are the delivery charges? Do they vary by state or are they fixed across the country?
10. How long after I place my final order is the car expected to arrive?
email@example.com......You should email these questions to firstname.lastname@example.org.
@stephen.kamichi Thanks, yes. I already have asked him a number of these questions and he does not have definitive answers yet.
11. What are the Internet connectivity charges and is there a choice of carriers? Is there a way to piggyback onto your cell phone plan to reduce charges?
12. What is the cost for annual service?
I wonder about the data as well, I already have 2 cell phones, one for work and a personal one with tethering enabled on my work one and would rather use that for data then to pay for a 3rd cell service!
Think I'll get data service for the car just so I can use the remote AC / heat feature.
Do we know who will provide the data service? Is it AT&T? Can I just pop the SIM Card out of my phone and keep it in my Model S and pop it out when I don't need my car on the network? I hate giving the telco companies any more then I need to. I can see myself taking advantage of the remote features on my car, but then again, my work and home parking lots have wifi so can I just take advantage of that?
@BYT If it's anything like my Tablet you can not just swap SIM cards. There is no removable SIM card in my tablet. (Samsung Galaxy S 7"). Once you've picked the carrier you are stuck with it too.
I do not know if this is how the Model S will work.
I think it will be AT&T which for me I think will mean just $6 more a month and it should be on my family shared plan. I haven't look into it that deep. I was going to just tether to my current collection of phones or Tablet but all major carriers have now starting charging extra for that stuff.
Think I'll get data service for the car just so I can use the remote AC / heat feature. - Jason S
The Tesla rep minding the beta in Boston stated that you won't need a cellular plan to use the smartphone app. The app uses the GSM chip of the car, not the (optional) 3G service.
R.B That's good news. Is the GSM service for that included (like on the Amazon Kindle whispernet)? That would definitely be a big upside for me.
This news pleases me as well! i still hope however it can connect to a WiFi network? Part of the Tech Package Tesla? ;)
Same guy at Boston said "and of course, the vehicle can always connect through Wifi while you're sitting outside your house or at Starbucks."
So, BYT, I think you're covered there, too, with or without the Tech Package.
I would doubt that Wifi would be part of the tech package, or part of any extra-cost option. Tesla presumably gets valuable data from the logs (should you opt to provide it to them), so it's in their best interest to provide a way to automatically upload this data.
The wifi interface is also supposedly how music is loaded into the sound system, and how software updates will be delivered. They'll need it there in every car no matter what options you've selected.
I will ask these questions before I commit to my Sig S:
1. When can I test drive the car? The ride last October was fun, but I need to have a very serious test drive. And where do i have to go to test drive the car?
2. I want to review the final warranty that comes with the car.
3. I need to see the ability to get over steep driveway entrances and speed bumps with the suspension system. (probably belongs in test drive)
4. What delivery date can be guaranteed? I have a reservation number of 294 and have been waiting a year.
@Jim, I am with you on the warranty point. As far as I have read, there is nothing much about the warranty (other than the battery's) that is provided with the Model S. I would like to know the warranty of the motor and the center console.
And test drive is something that I am very eagerly awaiting. Based on the recent Boston event, we can expect that late Spring/early Summer.
Thanks again Robert! I had always planned on getting the Tech Package anyway... :)
I was told in Boston that the Model S will have a 4-year / 50,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty (in addition to the specific battery warranty). Not other details, though, about the warranty.
Hopefully they go farther than that, though I guess that's not far off from typical, but like Hyundai demonstrated, offering long warranties really makes people more comfortable buying a car from a new player.