What is the maximum "Out the door" price you are will to write a check for (before rebates). Please be realistic.
160 mi base MS 57400
Out the door check = $76,350
This information should be kept confidential. If TM knows how much we are willing to pay, they will see to it that no cars produced will cost less.
160 Mile Base MS:
160 Mile Base MS: $57400
And that is still a huge ouch for me as I don't have that kinda cash laying around!
@stephen.kamichi: this is just another of those posts that are under-the-table attempts by TM to get info out of us that is in our best interests not to share.... It's like all those that say "they're going to charge at least $102000, so get used to the idea". I'd rather TM worry that high prices will be too scary for us than find out that "enough" of us are willing to part with our life savings..
At least while we're telling Google everything about our lives, they're providing a service for us..
If they charge at least $102,000, I will cancel my reservation and buy a Nissan Leaf.
"If they charge at least $102,000, I will cancel my reservation and buy a Nissan Leaf."
If you don't buy a Signature edition with the pano roof and Sport package, then you have nothing to worry about.
I wonder if Tesla will waive the delivery fee if I take delivery at the factory? It is about 400 miles to our home in Southern California.
I wonder if Tesla will reduce the destination fee if I take delivery at the store more than 200 miles from our home.
If I'm not mistaken conventional destination charges are to get the car to the dealer. In the case of Tesla I'm guessing that there will probably be an additional charge to get it to the customer's home. I'm hoping to avoid that charge by picking it up from the store.
Anybody with a roadster that can tell us how this works?
I am wondering if there enough charging stations along the way so that I can drive mine from the factory back to Montreal.
A moot point Stephen. If you pick it up at the factory, then Tesla has to collect California sales tax on the transaction even if you aren't registering it in California. It's one messed up state.
This is the minimum amount possible and the max I can afford...
Tax @ 9.25%5385
I'm sorry for those that have to pay tax on their EV or don't have a rebate to cover the tax.
I'm guessing about $10 to $15K in options and would like to take delivery in Freemont, if we are allowed to watch it get built and have the destination charge waived, while not paying CA taxes, which I don't think you would as it will be registered in Washington state where there are no sales taxes on EV's.
Hoping to do the same as you Discoducky. Train to Fremont, register car in Oregon and drive it home without sales tax. We have none in Oregon for those who don't know. Income tax is high though.
Average "out the door" = 69,917.
N = 5
Median = 67,400
I did not include anyone who did not specify a specific "out the door" number.
After long discussions over on the Tesla Motors Club forums, we've pretty much ruled out picking the car up at the factory because of California's strange tax rules. As I said earlier, California makes *NO* allowances for registering the car in a different state. They require Tesla to collect the tax on all sales taking place inside the state.
I thought sale won't take place in the state of California, but at the local Tesla store close to where u live. Then u just help Tesla transport the car to your home.
It's possible that Tesla might be able (on paper), to make it look like you took physical possession of the car in your home state. We won't know until they're actually delivering them if they'll be willing to do that.
Why not buy the car in your home state? Where you pick up the car then makes California tax irrelevant since you have not bought the car there. I have checked with the Australian dealer, and I can pay portion of the purchase price in the USA with Us currency and the remainder here
Because California's tax rules state than the purchase location is where the physical transfer takes place.
Like I said, it's possible that Tesla will have a way around this. But don't count on it.
So according to California tax rules you don't have to pay tax on whatever u purchase in the state, as long as you take possession of it outside the state borders? Or does that rule only count as long as the state make money on it?
"So according to California tax rules you don't have to pay tax on whatever u purchase in the state, as long as you take possession of it outside the state borders?"
Exactly. If you buy something from a California seller who ships it to you in another state, then you don't have to pay California taxes. But if you buy it and take possession of it in the state, then you do.
For those interested in picking up the car at the factory
Sales tax in Fremont, CA is 8.75%
Sales tax in Germany: 19%. OUCH!!
Volker, an interesting comparison chart here:
showing the tax burden of you Berliners cf. to counterparts around the developed world. Unfortunately for you and for our U.S. export business generally, U.S. corporations pay high taxes (compared to any other country in the developed world), while you pay higher personal income taxes and high VAT. Tesla has to price its product to pay its U.S. taxes, which only increases the already-high VAT you pay.
Sales tax in Quebec is 15% (includes federal & provincial sales taxes). OUCH!!!!
Robert.Boston, thanks for the chart. I guess I'll move to Qatar. :-D
@Volker.Berlin, don't forget the ~20% VAT in top of that sales tax.
Timo, actually I thought VAT and Sales Tax refer to the same thing. I may be wrong for other countries, but at least there is only one of those beasts in Germany.
Ah, in here we have all kinds of sales taxes for cars, not only VAT. That is why all cars here cost about 50-100% more than what they cost in US. The green party just recently increased some of the taxes in order to "punish" people from driving, which is stupid considering that 99% of the landmass here people need cars to do their daily business, and only causes people to use more polluting old cars longer. Add in the fact that gasoline costs a bit over $8/gallon and you get pretty pissed of car enthusiasts. For Diesel and Electric cars you need to pay yearly "power source tax" (loosely translated) about $550 for car Model S weight, for gas car you don't ("temporary" tax from year 197something).
Average age of the car here is about 12 years.
I think if US next government would add those taxes for cars there would be pretty fast revolution with no mercy for the person who invented such taxes.
57,400 with basic features comparable to the 5 series or E-Class for a base car. At the end of the day, I’ll pay 10% more for a tesla, but off setting that is the following:
A. Lack of financing or higher rates compared to BMW or E-Class financing
B. Lease options
C. Anxiety associated with:
1. Am I buying a DeLorean
2. Risk of being the early adopter, is this a palm or am I buying an i-phone
3. If I own the car, what is the resale value three years down the road? BMW and E-Class are more definable.