Last year, prior to, and just after the launch this Forum was very useful and interesting.
I noticed that there is less and less 'news' coming up.
We already lost Volker last year, it seems to me that he quit at the right time.
Its been about 20 months for me on the forum-- It was very informative as a new reservation holder waiting for delivery. There is a lot to be learned if you want to.
Now that I have delivery I am looking to different parts of the forum & private threads. It's fun to read the new owner experiences.
More of what I find myself doing now is counter balancing the trolls/negativity posters so the newer members get a more accurate picture of the S.
Prior to launch last June, much on the info on MS was either speculative or based on pre-production versions of the car. Now with the car in the hands of several thousand new owners, what we see here, mostly, is real life experiences with MS that members new to a reservation and the forum can use to make informed decisions about configuration or even to buy MS at all.
Before my car came, I was starved for any kind of information. Now it seems the trolls have arrived.
This forum is good. I have frequented it for about 3 months so far from a veteran, and have learned a lot. It is useful to read owners experiences with the car and their touring and driving experiences. My experience from other similar forums (Harley, vintage cars...) the postings it will very often be concerning specific technical issues, troubleshooting and good ideas etc. besides the social aspects like meet-ups. The difference from this forum is that these are membership access thus no trolls.
Unfortunately too many annoying trolls here, but a good thing they are so stupid thus easy to spot. It is a weakness as this forum shall be for the curious and interested thus not good to make it too difficult to access. That means we have to endure the trolls. My solution to this is that we shall be more attentive, call them out and ignore them. Trolls thrive on attention, to cause heated discussions and name calling. If non of their posts are reacted to - they will grow tired and eventually find other greener pastures.
It can be very useful to use the forum and there are mostly very smart people hear.
FYI...I get delivery in 23hours 56 minutes but I'm not paying that much attn to the clock
The forums are more cumbersome and fragmented due to the increase in traffic.
Threads are less thorough and complete since Volker.Berlin left.
Now how many hours?
I waited 18 months, 1 day, 2 hours but who's counting.
Please post your experience & have fun (I still am)
17hours 38 minutes to go
Oh, on cue the troll showed up! Hey Nick, hows it going? FYI, people make judgements all the time. Let god speak for himself.
Someone made a comment about trolls on a thread with no reference to you at all. Then YOU respond, throwing insults. Obviously you must see yourself as the intended "troll" target whenever anyone speaks abut troublemakers on this forum. Feeling guilty? Why else would you respond?
Over on the private side there is some discussion about you that I found interesting. I didn't know this, but you apparently never comment in private threads. However, you claim to have a reservation. I have defended you as probably the real thing, but now am not so sure. If you do have a reservation, you would have access to private threads. The fact that you don't comment on those threads says to me that you are not telling the truth. I am sorry if you think this is an attack, but if it is true that you don't have a reservation, then you are the very definition of troll.
There is also some conversation on the private side about Brian H, who apparently also does not have a reservation, and is waiting for Gen III. Some guys apparently don't have a life. That two guys who neither own a Model S or have a reserved car dominate these threads shows how little value the forum is adding these days.
Brian has a much longer history on here than nn, but these two gusy spend hours per day around here. Just sayin' - there's a reason that Voelker decided to check out a couple months back, to get hs family life back. I am very close to doing so myself now that I have a car and my questions are answered every day while driving. I thought that participating might help some others with teething issues, but mine are mostly complete.
Pure fanboi. Sorry if it offends your sensibilities. Not.
As I suggested, lets ignore these people, make them as insignificant here as they obviously are in their sad little lives.
BTW, search "Timo". Also waiting for GenIII.
@Pungoteague_Dave: While I agree with everything you've said above, this forum does have its glitches. For example, I have been in possession of my car since 1/16 (VIN xxxx3319), but for some reason lost access to the private threads after taking delivery. I have asked ownership and pinged the generic site contact, to no avail. To that end, while I don't believe it to be true, there is a slight chance (or perhaps a sliver of a chance) that the guys you're referring to are having the same problem. Interestingly, they haven't brought it up. Regardless, those posts on this side do make me want to bang my head against the wall.
Just to add to above...the conversation over at TMC is typically a lot better and more informative. Furthermore, the moderators over there have the ability to eliminate "trolling." It's much more peaceful over there. I still like to check over here in case something slips through the cracks.
So people that do not have a reservation should NOT come here to these forums and discuss the model s with other interested people that may or may not have reservations? Is that correct?
I don't think anyone said that. There's a difference between information seeking, false information spouting, and trolling.
Well my impression by a couple of the posts is that if you do not own, or do not have a reservation, then you dont belong here.
I guess people who are interested but dont have the money yet, aren't priviledged enough to rub elbows with those that do :)
Its not going to cause me to leave or anything. Just gives me a clearer picture of some of the users, and their elitist attitude(s).
By no means am I advocating the trolling and such though. Dont get me wrong. I guess I just "dont have a life" since I am on these forums w/o owning or having reserved, a model s. I just like reading about and interacting with those (non elitist) members that own or have a reservation, and with those that do not but are as excited about Tesla as I am.
Clorox: don't even go there! This forum is for Tesla lovers. Only haters are not welcome. It has been a great source of information and bonding over a shared obsession. It's a real downer when posts are about bashing Tesla by those that don't have one. You can say crap about your own car, but not one you don't plan to own.
Like I said, I understand the sentiment about the trolling. I cant stand that shyte either. If I misinterpreted the posts, and they were only about trolls, well, then I am wrong. :)
Well, Nick who's name isn't Nick, you claim to be doing research. You seem to do a lot more talking than asking. You obviously feel the need to discourage people on this site from pursuing their interests in the Model S. You claim that the S isn't ready yet. By stifling interest, it will never achieve the level of readiness you desire, to go along with your multitudes of luxury cars. Let us owners and interested parties be the beta testers. Why don't you just let it happen organically and come back in a couple of years when it meets your standards? You share your "thoughts" in every thread, on every topic. You dodge every attempt to substantiate your most basic of claims and then you piss and moan that nobody believes you. It's very simple. This forum takes up a tremendous amount of your time. You speak because you want people to believe you and value your opinion. Why else would you be here, right? But, your opinions cannot be valued at this time because you don't show yourself to be credible. Yes, I get it...freedom of speech and all that. But, if you're going to take the time here every day, why not place one simple post in a private thread? Just a "Nick says Hi!" You don't have to "go" anywhere. It's right here on this forum. You just can't see those threads because you don't have a reservation. That's OK. There's no reason to fabricate the truth. Just come clean and say that you're just a guy who likes to talk about Tesla (albeit predominantly negative). Brian H doesn't have a reservation. He's a Teslaphile (with a grammar fetish) and that's great. Really, you can put this all to rest with a mouse click...you either choose not to or can't, for obvious reasons. That's the simple truth.
nnt, there's a private forum thread addressed specifically to you. If you are real, you can respond without identifying anything about yourself. Not your name, not your number, nothing. All you have to do is say HI!.
You sir have been called out. If you are not BSing us, you can prove it easilly. If you are full of it, we are done with you.
I don't think there's any elitism amongst the owners here. Rather it's the opposite. We want to share experiences and help interested others. If you aren't aware of the history, the negativity towards one individual has been deemed justifiable by a number of longtime posters on this forum, following numerous questionable claims, comments, positions, and contradictions. People are calling him out in order to make certain that casual observers looking for information (like you) get a credible view of what's reality, from those who know it first hand. Unfortunately, as you know from the NYT article, there are many with questionable motives. There was no intent to make people like you feel unwelcome. I would encourage you to check out teslamotorsclub.com for another source of abundant information from some incredibly intelligent people. I knew very little about EVs prior to Model S ownership. This forum and TMC got me up and running...and addicted.
By the way nnt, that private thread is right on the front page of the Model S sub-forum...currently right next to this thread. It should be very easy to locate. It shows automatically to those who are owners or have reservations. You don't have to sign up for it.
You're either super busy, super principled, or super full of it. I know which one I'm going with.
Thank you for your time. Have a nice day.
BTW nnt, if you can see that thread, what is its title?
For private threads, you can see the title you simply cannot comment. When I am on my cell looking at the threads without logging it, it shows the titles but then shows zero comments and a lock. Once I log in, I can open them and see the contents. Thus him knowing the title means little. NNT posting to the private thread will tell whether he has a reservation.
NNT- it's a car. A really cool car. But at the end of the day, not a spouse, or life and death, or a career.
Takes a while to charge it. Goes fast, handles great, really comfortable. Price is public. Why do you need to keep bugging Tesla? Buy one, or don't. Read consumer reports. I bought one. It's great.